Money/cash Machines
Money/cash Machines
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Keep up the grift, maybe you'll be the guy to turn it around:
One of the more interesting aspects about this conversation is the number of guys that have come out defending pretend money, and how SWs should definitely accept the pretend money in lieu of real money ... for some reason, I guess.
But not a single SW has come out and said "You know what, I think I'd like to give this a try."
I wonder why you think that is.
Run that through your skull sponge.
Just a thought.
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People are usually only against something if they've had a bad experience, im guessing you've lost some money in cryptocurrency hence why you're so passionately against it..
There's definitely WGs already accepting BTC and will be plenty more in the years to come...
But I suppose if you don't understand something, might as well belittle it to make yourself feel better hey.
lol
Nope never touched crypto.
I just use real money, I find that it is happily accepted everywhere and everything is already priced in it, so I don't have to adjust for massive fluctuations, nor do I have to make a special trip (or effort) to convert real money back into real money so that I can use it at the dairy to buy a Monster Zero Sugar at 0830.
Try buying that go juice at the diary with crypto and see if you walk out empty handed.
I'll wager that your hands would no more be gripping a chilled can containing that nectar of the gods, than they were when you walked in.
I'm 'passionately' against crypto, because I don't like scams, scammers or underhand bollocks designed to part honest normal people from their meagre funds in order to pad the bank accounts of oligarchs.
In other words, I have a modicum of integrity.
These SWs who accept crypto in lieu of real money, can you maybe post up some ad links? (NZ ads only please, and more than 5)
Because I've never seen anything other than 'cash is king' with a sprinkling of 'bank transfers are ok'.
But I'm open to surrender that point, if there is solid evidence to suggest that I am not correct.
And clearly I do understand.
I've consistently said that getting paid in crypto would be a terrible idea because you have no idea if what you've been paid will be worth the same when you have to convert it back to real money for use on things like rent payment.
I feel 100% confident that if I went to the mechanic to get repairs done on my car, and told them that I would give them a 1/10th share of a bitcoin as payment for their labor, the the mechanic would give me a full share of a punch in the face.
So why are you suggesting that someone else who offers a paid service should settle for something that a landlord or mechanic would not?
I even posted a link to a current article that spoke about a massive four month continuous large scale loss of value in crypto markets, to the point that some if not all the various crypto scam groups are looking at having to sell assets in order to cover debts, as evidence in the case that I have laid out.
It would be almost more sensible to suggest exchanging tech stocks for sexual services ... at least until that bubble bursts.
Your argument amounts to 'trust me bro', with nothing to back up your statements (and you shouldn't be singled out, two or three others have used the same rhetorical device, to about the same level of effect).
If that is the best foot that you can put forward, you have a better chance of convincing me the heaven and hell exist (they don't).
So you'll forgive me if I file 13 pretty much everything you've said.
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Most of crypto market are scams, no doubt about it... but there is the blockchain who have
Infinite applications, including within very large banking systems around the world... now going back to the market itself... I lost a small amount of money in the first cycle I got into, but I learned enough to make a good amount of money in the last two, following the hype of NFTs and games during the pandemic, AI in the last 2 and a half years... it's a stock market like any other, driven by hype, narratives... but unregulated and highly volatile, full of junk like any other, actually more so... and now with a monstrous amount of money from large institutions (research how much money BlackRock and governments around the world have in Bitcoin, for example).
Summarizing Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as mere currencies only highlights the ignorance of the subject on the part of the speaker.
In a more pessimistic view of the world, the entire financial market is pure speculation and gambling... but the larger and more established the market is, only very rich big sharks really benefit from it...
And now the volatility of the crypto market decreases with each cycle since there is more and more institutional money in it and gigantic market caps...
Anyway... for years a lot of old uncles said that the internet was nothing, shit, that it was all a scam... and here we are...
Aging is inevitable, ignorance is optional.
Infinite applications, including within very large banking systems around the world... now going back to the market itself... I lost a small amount of money in the first cycle I got into, but I learned enough to make a good amount of money in the last two, following the hype of NFTs and games during the pandemic, AI in the last 2 and a half years... it's a stock market like any other, driven by hype, narratives... but unregulated and highly volatile, full of junk like any other, actually more so... and now with a monstrous amount of money from large institutions (research how much money BlackRock and governments around the world have in Bitcoin, for example).
Summarizing Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as mere currencies only highlights the ignorance of the subject on the part of the speaker.
In a more pessimistic view of the world, the entire financial market is pure speculation and gambling... but the larger and more established the market is, only very rich big sharks really benefit from it...
And now the volatility of the crypto market decreases with each cycle since there is more and more institutional money in it and gigantic market caps...
Anyway... for years a lot of old uncles said that the internet was nothing, shit, that it was all a scam... and here we are...
Aging is inevitable, ignorance is optional.
Undoubtedly the entire financial market is speculation and gambling.
Fully agree with that point.
And yep, only very rich sharks benefit as any market becomes more established ... as the current world shows anyone with two functional brain cells.
I think you have vindicated my actual point, that getting paid in cryto is probably not the best idea, for anyone.
But please feel free to tell me if that is not representative of your opinion.
Let's take crypto out of the equation, so that the crypto bros can unwad their panties and see a little sense for a moment, since their argument is that SWs should take crypto as payment.
Getting paid in any stock (crypto is just a form of stock) is a very risky thing, as stocks fluctuate, sometimes in fairly predicable ways, and sometimes wildly when unusual global events have a knock on effect on financial markets, the entire of 2025 has had those markets bouncing all over the place, and 2026 is trending the same.
I have been saying that it is a risky proposition because if you have no idea if the stock you are paid in today will hold a very similar value tomorrow.
That becomes important when you have to factor in real world considerations, my buying a Monster Zero Sugar from the dairy example, but paying for any number of real world things of necessity like rent, utilities, fuel, food, etc are all the same.
The dairy owner wants to know that the thing you are paying him with will be worth essentially for all practical purposes the same today as it was yesterday and will be tomorrow (because yes real money currencies do fluctuate, that's why exchange rates are a thing, but they don't often wildly fluctuate, NZD on Feb 16 was worth about the same as NZD on the 17th, so purchasing power is effectively the same).
Paying your rent to the landlord is essentially the same, paying the mechanic, the doctor, the supermarket, the list goes on, are all the same, they want payment for their goods and services in a means that they know that what they are getting is worth.
Breaking the thought/paragraph for readability, large blocks of text just turn into unreadable mush.
All the previous leads back to an example that I used a number of posts back, which the crypto bros around here have conveniently pretended was never asked.
The question was (paraphrased):
If your boss came up to you on a random morning and said "I will not be paying you in the currency of the land any longer, instead I am going to pay you in a stock that fluctuates in value and you cannot spend wherever you need or want to, how does that sound?"
Would you say A) "Yessir that sounds like a great idea, because now planning my personal day to day finances will be made more difficult as I'll never really know what my purchasing power will be."
Or would you say B) "Go fuck yourself. Pay me in way that I have a pretty good idea what purchasing power I have in the short to mid-term is ... oh and by the way I can use anywhere I need to. If you don't, find someone else to serve cafe lattes to your well healed boomer customers."
I'm willing to bet that pretty much everybody would go for option B, including the crypto bros around here (since none of them have indicated that they get paid bitcoin at work and not NZD), for the reasons I have outlined.
So why do these guys keep harping on that someone should rent them their vavjayjay for something that is not relatively stable so that they can pay their bills dependably (that's why these ladies do what they do, it isn't because we're all charming motherfuckers that just cause them to drop their pants at the sight of us)?
I'm not for a second saying that you are suggesting that it is a good idea.
From your remark I would gather that you are a normal person, who happens to take some of their real money that isn't tied up in day to day things, and use it to speculate on a market in the hopes that you get a larger return than what you put in.
In other words, if you have the means, then try to make your money work for you and earn a little more.
Which is a totally reasonable position.
What you aren't suggesting, at least from what I can pull from your comment, is that people get paid for their labor, goods or services in stock.
Which is what some of these dudes are suggesting.
(Yes I know there are renumeration packages that include stock as part payment, but never the entire amount, or even a majority)
Anyways, thanks for the good faith engagement in the discussion.
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I'm too much of a dinosaur to understand Crypto, but I do import goods and some of my suppliers have told me they will accept bitcoin.
I worked it out and it was more expensive, i guess to cover fluctuations.
I do personally know a punter who bought up Bitcoin early then sold it when it spiked, he made about $250k profit 10 years later. But for every 1 of those, there is 100 who lost out.
Back to the OP, I get my cash out from supermarkets nowadays. Just go to a Cash and Card auto checkout and bingo.
I worked it out and it was more expensive, i guess to cover fluctuations.
I do personally know a punter who bought up Bitcoin early then sold it when it spiked, he made about $250k profit 10 years later. But for every 1 of those, there is 100 who lost out.
Back to the OP, I get my cash out from supermarkets nowadays. Just go to a Cash and Card auto checkout and bingo.
Crypto isn't a scam, it's a term, a term that covers a lot of things, including Bitcoin.
Bitcoin is not a scam†, it's a currency. If you take $100 out of your bank account and wait a year then it's now worth $96 due to inflation. Is NZD a scam? No. If you lost money on Bitcoin then does that make it a scam? No. If you lost money on gold, is gold a scam? No. Bitcoin is much more volatile than NZD, so if you were speculating with it and your investment is now worth less than what you paid for it, then that's not surprising.
† That's not to say that there aren't any scams that are associated with Bitcoin because there are.
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For what it’s worth, Warren Buffett described Bitcoin as "rat poison squared".
"If you told me you own all of the Bitcoin in the world and you offered it to me for $25, I wouldn't take it because what would I do with it? I'd have to sell it back to you one way or another. It isn't going to do anything."
I have, on occasion, traded a derivative of Bitcoin (just lines on a screen to me) but I don’t own or use it (I don’t know how, nor care to learn).
"If you told me you own all of the Bitcoin in the world and you offered it to me for $25, I wouldn't take it because what would I do with it? I'd have to sell it back to you one way or another. It isn't going to do anything."
I have, on occasion, traded a derivative of Bitcoin (just lines on a screen to me) but I don’t own or use it (I don’t know how, nor care to learn).
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There's actually ATM's where you can trade in bitcoin, and a few other crypto's too, Etherium, I think?
I had a play with one at an airport a while ago while bored.
Lets be blunt - it's driven by the drug and illicit trade who want the transfer of unregulated payments
I had a play with one at an airport a while ago while bored.
Lets be blunt - it's driven by the drug and illicit trade who want the transfer of unregulated payments
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If you buy a bitcoin for 25$ or someone give to you... you can go to any crypto exchange and sell it instantly, at this moment, for 68k usd and transfer to your bank account, pay taxes on top of it in the end of the year and thats it
Guys... when we dont know something, we just dont give opinions, we make questions, or stay quiet, or do a research... because to be a opinion need to have a small amount of knowledge about it... and clearly most of you guys have no idea what are you talking about... Respectfully, this is kind of embarrassing; it just reinforces the stereotype of the old uncle who can't accept a new world exists beyond his knowledge, even if that world slaps him in the face.
Bitcoin isn't useful for that sort of thing however. While there are some genuinely useful crypto tokens like Monero that are actually relatively anonymous and good for funding causes that Epstein's people consider 'politically incorrect', anything you do on most blockchains from BitCoin to DOGE is not just public but very easy for governments to trace back to you. There are certainly steps you can take to get a slight amount of privacy back like coinjoin mixing wallets and non-Western based coin-to-coin exchanges, but nothing is perfect.
That said, even the _useful_ tokens like Monero are completely unstable, and 'investing' in any of them is just betting. It's deranged to do so if you don't have insider information from (for example) the dodgy Wall Street financial institutions profiteering from BitCoin in the same way they did subprime mortgage backed securities.
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