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Client not paying because it was to much admin...
Pete Rocker said:
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He stiffed her for sure but I'm not sure how accurate that end figure should have been and the fairness of coming on here and posting up a " I've been scammed". He probably owes her say another $750 to $1250 so let's call it a grand. Arrowtown boomer cokehead punter - if you are reading this : do the right thing and flick this girl another $750 and everyone can walk away from this teachable moment.

Learning lessons are : if you want to be treated like a professional act like one. If you want to be a party girl, the PPM sugar scene is more for you. You don't get to be both...
 
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There's always 3 sides to a story.
Still sounds a douchy move by the punter. Hopefully the guy gets blacklisted on the Discord list or whatever the gals use nowadays.

I'm a pretty peaceable guy, but I'd be putting a bit of gentle pressure on him if it was me and the debt is legit.
 
Lexbex2323 said:
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Sounds like the same guy who attempted to book me quite awhile ago, if you have proof that he said he will pay and acknowledges the amount he is owing to you take that with you to NZPC (New Zealand prostitution collective) they will help you do what’s necessary where you can file claim against him of failure for payment, I had one guy who tried to screw me over $200 but I found ways around it where I didn’t need to go to NZPC after I found out who he was I just told him that I would open my mouth to one of his family members that I knew and then I would file a claim along side the proof with the courts. Let’s just say within that week I had my money, but yes you can file a legal claim with the courts to get your money you don’t have to stress too much about keeping your information private this is exactly why NZPC is there to help because they understand majority of escorts want to keep their identity hidden. If you need someone to talk to her just feel free to message me happy to help anyway that I can x
 
Sahara said:
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If she did actually have sex with him she can go to the police and file a rape charge against him I don’t know the actual name for the charge but she can file a charge against him for what he’s done because it’s failure to pay for a sexual service, I’ve been in the situation myself where the Guy! paid me in front of me via banking transfer but a error had happened and for some reason he was not getting a verification code via txt anyway long story short he tried to dodge me for a few weeks on getting my money back and I did some digging on him found out who he was found out I have a friend and his friend group and I told him that if he did not pay up not only would I inform his friends but then I would also be taking him to court and it would be on his records let’s just say within a week after that threat I got my money, he had the audacity to try and book me again two days later I was like no I’m not falling for that shit. But also it’s very important for girls to know that NZPC (New Zealand prostitution collective) is there for a reason to help support us in this industry not just supplying us with condoms or sexual health check up ECT but also legal help on this side of things.
 
Jamesboi said:
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Hey I just want you to just clarify which part of that is under the crime act? To my knowledge if a client fails to pay the rest of the money or at all and has proof of agreement to pay and acknowledgement that they did not pay ect not only can we go to the police and file a report against them because it is seen as a form of assault against the sex worker question, as for reporting to other sex workers via specific outlets which I am not allowed to actually disclose, we are allowed to report clients to specific websites or sections of websites with their address cell phone number and what the person looks like and how they behaved during the booking etc this is to protect other woman from potential danger and to my knowledge when the last time I sat down and actually read the huge sex industry law book I packed up from NZPC we are advised to report these things for not only are in safety but for other sex workers and if there is a false claim a client discovers he is more than welcome to dispute it provided he has evidence to show and if he can prove his innocence then he gets removed off the blacklist/board. Hope some of this information is helpful🥰
 
Pete Rocker said:
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I actually asked multiple times if he wanted me to go. He wanted me to stay.I didn't over stay my welcome. I asked for advise regarding this. As I haven't expiernced this before. It's a learning curve for me. I'm fair and honest. It's just something I have to learn from. I'm not one to game people or take advantage of them. I have never screwed over a client. I want my clients to have a good time with me and enjoy there service. I check in all the time especially if it is the longer bookings.
 
Jamesboi said:
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Oh yes I agree threats of violence is not the way to go but telling them that you are going to report them isn’t technically against the law you can advise them if they do not follow through with payments that you will be forced to file a complaint (charges) with the police and that you’ll be seeking legal action via the courts.
 
Jamesboi said:
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Yes but she also have to understand some woman don’t know how to explain it very simply however if she does actually have proof that he agreed and by the looks of it she did actually ask him on more than one occasion does he want to continue for another hour which is what most places do if it was in a brothel for example I used to work at both pelican club and 133 when that was in operation, although things were a little bit different when you’re in a club but as we get to the 10 minute mark normally a sound is made or a phone is rung inside the room and then it’s left up to us personally to ask the client if they want to book for another hour same thing goes for outcalls when you have someone that takes you to a booking from the club they will ring cell phone when there’s 10 minutes left and you consult with the client whether they want to book for another hour or not. Typically payment is received then and there but some woman who are working privately don’t always have that knowledge and in fact a lot of women who are fresh to the industry don’t know much about the sex laws and how to keep yourself safe and so forth, which is unfortunate because some clients will take advantage of that if they are aware. But at the end of the day she did ask him more than once and he continued to say yes therefore he was acknowledging and accepting that he was paying for more time and if she has documentation of him via text agreeing to the amount then she has a legal claim for that money.
 
Lexbex2323 said:
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If he 100% understood the meter was running from word go and you can show this you prob have strong grounds for both a criminal fraud complaint and/or a Disputes Tribunal Claim. It's pretty easy, you can file online. However you need his real name and address and phone number. You also need to provide your real name (your address can remain hidden). As I said, your best bet is to make a formal police complaint for his theft and use this as leverage with him to extract payment (however this is a delicate thing - as the NZ CoA has said - there is a fine line between hard boiled settlement negotiation and blackmail. Does sound like this is his modus operandi and he need to be taught a lesson though.
 
Lexbex2323 said:
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It sounds like you have done the right things by checking in and asking him on a regular basis whether he wanted to book you for longer or not, as long as you have got proof between you and him via text messages that he’s agreed to paying that amount, you can then go to NZPC if you are in Auckland you can go to the office directly I know that they’re open today up until 6 pm and seek the correct legal advice on how to proceed with this you can also file a complaint with the police and let them know that he is refusing to pay for the rest of the service that you provided, if you guys didn’t have sex the entire time or only had sex in that first hour but stayed for the rest of it it’s still falls within the sex law, as he booked you for your time and your personal services. Feel free to private message me if needed
 
Jamesboi said:
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This is exactly why I suggested to her to go to NZPC for the correct help because it’s not just theft under the sex law act, failure to pay an escort is also seen as a form of sexual exploitation or rape, failure for Client to pay even after a complaint is made with the police could see him in jail. The reason why the law is structured like that is because unfortunately a lot of men take advantage of sex workers especially those who do not have the knowledge to defend themselves under the law and there are repeat offenders out there who will rob sex workers or find a way not to pay or do chargebacks with their banks. Don’t get me wrong I know that there are a select few six workers out there who have taken advantage of clients but that’s a good thing about the sex law it’s designed to protect everybody not just the escorts or anyone else under the adult entertainment umbrella. I had a client two years ago come up to me and tell me about how he wanted a service from a woman and never know and he wanted to come down to be used because he’s self proclaimed germaphobe and when he got erect she just straightaway jumped on him no condom and being a small statue he couldn’t really push her off I told him to file a rape charge with the police because technically by law we are supposed to use condoms at all times to prevent the spread of STDs if we are found not using condoms with clients it’s a $30,000 fine minimum. That’s why a lot of us refuse to do no condom services a handful of women don’t care but yeah just thought I’d put that extra little bit of information out there hope it helps
 
Jamesboi said:
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Actually no you’ll be quite surprised I was having a conversation with one of the staff members last week when I went in for my three monthly sexual health check up they are all for supporting sex workers no matter what it is or how and you’re missing the C at the end of that 😅 NZPC is all about helping anyone who’s working in the sex industry that doesn’t matter if it’s only fans (online sex work) striping, sensual massages, date only escorting, ect if it falls under the sex work law they will look after you and from memory NZPC counselling if a worker has been put in a really horrible position which does happen quite frequently in sex work, they help provide us with free condoms free sexual health checkups and contraception if we so chose, legal advice and support I might’ve missed a couple of things but it’s all about trying to break the stigma around sex work and normalising it too they work pretty hard behind the scenes, I’m actually going to be going into study in two years time to be a psychologist and I plan on joining the team and helping the community because there are unfortunately a lot of people in the industry who are not educated and looking after themselves and keeping themselves safe both financially and physically. So yes even though this was a very long window dancer yes NZPC will and can help this OP with her situation. And NZPC look after everyone not just females in the industry they look after men as well as trans men and woman
 
@Lexbex2323

has he paid you anything at all?

I run my own business, and with the economy in the shape it is, non payers have been increasing.

Its rage inducing to not get paid what you are owed, but once in that situation, you are better to take whatever you can get. encourage partial payment and keep chasing, now, before too much time drags on.

For example there is a guy whos business owes me money. outstanding today, maybe 4 grand. payment was due back in august 2024. he was late paying and i chased like hell, he made some partial payments but after a while, he stopped responding to messages. now my only option is to hire a collection agency. ive heard from others around the industry, he owes them money too.

in the end of the day, being owed money is more painful emotionally than financially. it lingers in the mind and haunts you. its best to just try to let it go, chalk it up to experience, and make sure you deal with the business elements up front next time.

for example, you might want to take cash up front for the initial booking requests, and accept payment for extras or time add ons at the end of the session. that way your exposure to getting burned is limited.

in my line of work, i still bill at end of service as normally. my accountant recomended taking deposits up front. but even though i was burned, showing trust to your client is very important i think, for the relationship. i might get burned again in a way that might have been somewhat preventable, but the value in showing this trust to clients is more important.(99% of the time i get paid properly)
 
Jamesboi said:
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Oh right I understand you might’ve needed to put that at the end because I did assume initially that you were talking about New Zealand prostitution collective 😅 and actually they are interested nowadays they do take complaints from sex workers seriously now as I’ve had to file a complaint before against a client for physical assault when I told him not to do a certain thing and he disregarded what I had said. And yes he was charged for assault the police asked me if I wanted to escalate it to rape and I said no that’s a little extreme as it was just him being physically aggressive in a specific way with me after I told him not to (I should clarify in the brackets that yes I am a BDSM girl and I do submissive work but there is a limit and some clients forget that despite the conversations we have before starting) but yes police are now taking those kind of things serious as long as there is proof they will actually do something about it. As for your response about the sex worker who forced herself on my Client he told me this well over a year ago but when he told me about this I did ask him for cell phone number and stuff so I could file it with the website and let the website know about her behaviours and actions so that her profile could be locked into because even the NZ police work with the website and NZPC in order to protect both parties, but he didn’t wanna give me her number out of fear of retaliation from her but yes it was very disgusting what she did and I hope anyone else reading my replies loans and understands that clients have just as much equal rights as sex workers
 
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